Some speculate, without giving documentation, that Napoleon made such a statement to
Lord William Amherst (or that Amherst said that he did). Amherst made a diplomatic visit to
China and had an audience with the emperor and saw Napoleon in exile on
St. Helena in 1817. For instance,
William Safire's
Political Dictionary cites a 1978
Wall Street Journal column which says Napoleon made the remark to Lord Amherst, but the column gives no source for the reference.
Alain Peyrefitte's
The Immobile Empire, a study of British delegations to China in the late 18th century based on extensive research in French and English language sources, gives a detailed account of Amherst's conversations with Napoleon with no mention of such a quote. He attributes this "famous prediction" to Napoleon but not as part of the conversation with Amherst and he also gives no source. Elizabeth Knowles, editor of ''What They Didn't Say: A Book of Misquotations'' (
Oxford University Press) cites a similar remark the exiled emperor made to
Barry O'Meara, his surgeon. O'Meara in conversation criticised Amherst for failing to convince the
Chinese emperor to open China to trade. He suggested to Napoleon that "we could easily compel the Chinese to grant good terms by means of a few ships of war; that, for example, we could deprive them altogether of salt, by a few cruisers properly stationed", but Napoleon disagreed, "It would be the worst thing you have done for a number of years, to go to war with an immense empire like China, and possessing so many resources. You would doubtless, at first succeed, take what vessels they have, and destroy their trade; but you would teach them their own strength. They would be compelled to adopt measures to defend themselves against you; they would consider, and say, 'we must try to make ourselves equal to this nation. Why should we suffer a people, so far away, to do as they please to us? We must build ships, we must put guns into them, we must render ourselves equal to them.' They would get artificers, and ship builders, from France, and America, and even from London; they would build a fleet, and, in the course of time, defeat you." Knowles remarks that "the essential idea is here, if not, frustratingly, the figure of speech". ==Claim for Vladimir Lenin==