Participants Synopsis of sixth hearing The
sixth televised hearing was dedicated entirely to the testimony of
Cassidy Hutchinson, a top aide to former White House Chief of Staff
Mark Meadows. Meadows had provided a large amount of documentation to the committee but then stopped cooperating, sued the committee, and was held in criminal
contempt of Congress in December 2021. Due to heightened security concerns surrounding Hutchinson's testimony, the committee announced this hearing only one day in advance. Ms. Hutchinson obtained her own security prior to her public appearance, and the committee enhanced its security for the sixth hearing at which she testified.
Prelude to January 6 Hutchinson said that Rudy Giuliani told her on January 2 that Trump and his allies planned to go to the Capitol on January 6. When she reported this to her boss, Meadows, "didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of ... 'things might get real, real bad'." The committee also showed prior videotaped testimony in which Hutchinson said the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers were mentioned in the context of planning the
January 6 rally, especially in Giuliani's presence. Hutchinson said she persuaded Meadows not to go to Giuliani and Eastman's "war room" at the
Willard Hotel on the evening of January 5, where former
National Security Advisor Lt. Gen.
Michael Flynn was also present. Meadows, she said, told her he would instead phone into the meeting. Flynn was subpoenaed by the committee. During his interview, Rep. Cheney asked: "General Flynn, do you believe in the
peaceful transition of power in the United States of America?" He
pled the Fifth. This video clip was shown at the hearing. Hutchinson testified that on the day before the Capitol attack, Trump directed Meadows to contact Flynn and
Roger Stone, who both had extensive ties to extremist groups like the
Proud Boys and
Oath Keepers, leaders of which would later be indicted for
seditious conspiracy for their alleged roles in the attack.
Hutchinson account of January 6 testifying before the committee on June 28, 2022 Trump had insisted on specific language for his speech at the January 6 rally. Hutchinson recalled legal advice given by
Eric Herschmann, who said it would be "foolish" to include some of the phrases, such as "We're going to March to the Capitol" and "Fight for Trump ... Fight for the movement." Herschmann also warned against making negative references to Mike Pence. Some people brought weapons, including
AR-15s, to Trump's speech, according to police radio transmissions. Trump knew the crowd was armed yet wanted security checks loosened; he specifically wanted the
magnetometers removed. Hutchinson, who was present at the rally, testified that she heard Trump say "something to the effect of 'I don't F-ing care that they have weapons. They're not here to hurt me.'" Meadows and deputy chief of staff for operations
Tony Ornato were also aware of the weapons, according to Hutchinson. Ornato said Trump grabbed for the steering wheel of the presidential
SUV with one hand and lunged at Engel with his other hand, according to Hutchinson. She testified that Engel was sitting in a chair, looking "somewhat discombobulated and a little lost" while Ornato related the account of these events, and that Engel never contradicted the story. CNN reported three days after Hutchinson's testimony that it had spoken with two Secret Service agents who had heard accounts of the incident from multiple other agents since February 2021, including Trump's driver. Although details differed, agents confirmed there was an angry confrontation, with one agent relating that Trump "tried to lunge over the seat—for what reason, nobody had any idea," but no one asserted Trump assaulted Engel.
Politico reported the same day that Engel told the committee during an early 2022 deposition that he had kept his full account of the incident from his Secret Service colleagues for at least fourteen months. While the committee questioned Hutchinson, they showed brief clips of the videotaped testimony of others. National Security Council records, which identified Trump by
his codename "Mogul," also backed Hutchinson's claim that security was loosened, and that orders were made to NSC and Secret Service for "clearing a route".
Immediate January 6 aftermath Hutchinson testified that during the riot she wrote down from Meadows' dictation a proposed statement the president might release, instructing the insurgents to leave the Capitol. She said White House attorney Eric Herschmann "chimed in" with his input. The note was displayed during the hearing, and Hutchinson confirming it was in her handwriting. After the hearing, Herschmann said through a spokesperson that he had written the note. Hutchinson testified that both Meadows and Giuliani sought presidential pardons.
Rep. Cheney addresses possible tampering In closing remarks, Cheney expressed concern that some witnesses may have been given messages intended to influence their testimony. She said a witness, whom she did not name, told the committee they had received multiple such messages prior to giving testimony to the committee: "What they said to me is, as long as I continue to be a team player, they know that I'm on the team, I'm doing the right thing, I'm protecting who I need to protect, you know, I'll continue to stay in good graces in Trump world." She quoted another unnamed witness being told that "he is thinking about you", that "he knows you're loyal" and "will do the right thing." Cheney stated that the committee was taking allegations of witness tampering seriously and that they would consider the "next steps" necessary to address the issue. On December 20, 2022, it was reported that Trump administration ethics attorney
Stefan Passantino had advised Hutchinson, who was then his client, to testify that she didn't remember details. Trump’s Save America PAC was paying for Passantino's services, which Hutchinson was not aware of. Hutchinson disagreed with Passantino's advice and switched lawyers before she testified.
Reactions to sixth hearing Hutchinson’s testimony was subject to significant national attention. According to
Time, "[it] garnered a reaction that no other had received to date. As she exited the hearing room when the committee broke for a short recess, a crowd in the back applauded her." Fox News host
Bret Baier said her "testimony was very compelling from beginning to end"; conservative commentator
George Conway said "This is the most astonishing testimony I have ever seen or heard or read. You could litigate or investigate for a thousand years and never see anything as mind-blowing as this." The
Lawfare blog editorialized, "Cassidy Hutchinson's Testimony Changed Our Minds about Indicting Donald Trump". The testimony was widely characterized by legal analysts and the press as highly significant, particularly in the context of possible indictments of Trump and his associates in the
Justice Department's criminal investigation into
attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. Former Trump attorney general
Bill Barr remarked, "the department is clearly looking into all this, and this hearing definitely gave investigators a lot to chew on." After Hutchinson's testimony, CNN reported that an unnamed "Secret Service official familiar with the matter" said Ornato denied telling Hutchinson about a physical altercation. CNN also reported that the
DHS Office of Legislative Affairs would make involved agents available to the committee for sworn testimony, at which time they would be prepared to say the incident did not occur. According to Rep. Zoe Lofgren, "Some of the officers said that they would be coming and talking under oath ... [But] they have not come in" and instead, Ornato, Engel, and the unnamed driver of the president's armored vehicle have all retained legal counsel. (Months later, the committee interviewed the driver.) Ornato led Trump's Secret Service detail until the president named him White House deputy chief of staff for operations in December 2019; Ornato took an unprecedented leave of absence from his civil service Secret Service position to accept the political appointment.
Politico reported two days after Hutchinson's testimony that members of the committee were skeptical of Ornato's credibility due to assertions made in his January and March depositions.
Washington Post reporter
Carol Leonnig, author of the 2021 book
Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service, characterized Engel and Ornato as "very, very close to President Trump." During an
MSNBC interview she stated: "some people accused them of at times being enablers and 'yes men' of the president—particularly Tony Ornato—and very much people who wanted to ... see him pleased." Leonnig said there was a large contingent of Trump's Secret Service detail that wanted Biden to fail and some "took to their personal media accounts to cheer on the insurrection and the individuals riding up to the Capitol as patriots." Two months after Hutchinson's testimony, Ornato, who was then serving as assistant director of the Secret Service, announced his retirement. Ornato then testified to the committee that he didn't remember telling Hutchinson about any physical altercation between Trump and the limo driver. The committee wrote in its final report that it was "difficult to fully reconcile the accounts" from various witnesses regarding a physical altercation, though witnesses agreed that Trump had been angry. Trump responded by attacking Hutchinson repeatedly on the
Truth Social platform which he owns. He disputed the veracity of many of her statements and called her a "liar" and "total phony." On the same day as Hutchinson's testimony, anonymous conspiracy theorist "
Q" posted to
8kun, claiming Hutchinson was involved in a plot to disparage Trump.
QAnon influencer Jordan Sather called Hutchinson a "
plant", writing on his
Telegram channel: "Is Cassidy being used as a
Trojan Horse to destroy the credibility of these hearings with her obviously fake testimony?" In response to the sixth hearing, conservative author
David French wrote an article for
The Dispatch titled "The Case for Prosecuting Donald Trump Just Got Much Stronger." According to
The Guardian, "In French's view, Trump demonstrably summoned the mob, knew it was armed and dangerous, told it to 'fight like hell' and tried to march with it." French wrote that "Hutchinson's sworn testimony closes a gap in the criminal case ... Trump is closer to a credible prosecution than ever before." On the day after Hutchinson's testimony, the
Washington Examiner, a conservative publication widely read by Trump supporters, published an editorial entitled "Trump proven unfit for power again." The paper's board wrote, in part, "Cassidy Hutchinson's Tuesday testimony ought to ring the death knell for former President Donald Trump's political career ... Trump is a disgrace. Republicans have far better options to lead the party in 2024. No one should think otherwise, much less support him, ever again." == Seventh hearing – July 12, 2022 ==